ROH--11/21--Ohio Results

[oldschool]

Ring of Honor returned to Dayton, OH at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds last night.

Pre-show

a) Alex "Sugarfoot" Payne & Ninja Blue over Hunter Matthews &

b) Bobby Dempsey over Ninja Yellow

Main show

1) Brent Albright over Davey Richards in a very good opener

~Nigel McGuinness cut a promo where he declared that his 3-Way Title Match was going to be Non-Title.

2) Go Shiozaki over Sami Callahan, Rhett Titus and Grizzly Redwood in a Four Corner Survival; described as "average"

3) Jay & Mark Briscoe over Irish Airborne of Jake & Dave Crist; Briscoes worked as heels and Mark may have injured his knee

4) Roderick Strong and Chris Hero fought to a No Contest in their Lights Out Match; Larry Sweeney and Sweet and Sour Inc. interfered to force the No Contest

INTERMISSION

5) Kevin Steen & El Generico over Jimmy Jacobs & Delirious of Age of the Fall to retain the ROH World Tag Team Titles

6) Bryan Danielson over Claudio Castagnoli via roll up; Claudio destroyed Danielson post-match with a chair

7) 3-Way Main Event - Non-Title: Austin Aries over Tyler Black and Nigel McGuinness when Aries pinned Black

[MD Smith]

It was an awesome show....Too bad the Briscoes and Airborne didnt go longer but in fact Mark did injure his knee. Not sure how bad though.

Bobby Dempsey was probably THE most over guy of the night.....Him and Kevin Steen. "WORK THE KIDNEY.....NO THATS NOT THE KIDNEY....THE KIDNEY IS RIGHT THERE!!!!!" Great stuff. That work the kidney chat was worked the rest of the night.

[duoandiasuck]

Sami did alright ok good for his first time. Gear was ok but those boots were amazing.

IA didn't look like they got anybetter at all. Sqwashed and they missed a move. Even if jay b was hurt or not even if he was it was a crappy match for ia didn't make briscos look good at all.

[oldschool]

I would like to ASK a small little question here to "duoandiasuck " -----What is it with the bashing of the Crist Bro's talent ?---that you seem to like to do on here ?----it does just look like this is a group that you just don't like or care for ?---Do you think you could enlighten us on just why your using this judgement and desrtuctive comments ?

Your points would be something to discuss !!

[duoandiasuck]

ok to anwser your questions. Ok im just not on the irish airborne bang wagon at all. These "men" like to call themselves tag team specialist really i don't find that any way shape or form to be close to the truth. They've been the tag team champs at places like DCW, HWA, IPW and um thats about it. Not that IPW is anything wrong with holding a belt for this fed. They can't hold a candle to any other tag team around thats why ever since day one in ROH their matches have been botched and torn appart from the message board. Have you watched the crap show they call tag team specialist matches?? Other wrestlers have to make them look good. Jay carrys that tag team completely and he can't tag by himself and pluse he is not that great anyways. They are far from getting perminate spots in ROH. I wouldn't think they can win the crowd over anyplace except dayton and maybe chicago. but heck dayton even distroys them. They are spotty very spotty and sometimes seem to loose track of what they are doing. I believe if you split them up you might see them soar but they are not tag team specialist or anything in comparison to briscos steen and generico, or lets say the motor city machine guns ect. So for one i think yes they are talented but not as talented as themselves and all their droons think they are. They have everyone fooled and just because they look good and hang with the in crowed or bully people doesn't make them great wrestlers. We are talking about wrestling not a popularity contest. Really break down their matches do you think they can hold a torch to any tag team in WWE, TNA history lets just compare that. Lets nto think about old school wrestling and what it use to be before it was all a big huge entertainment factor all about the gear, and entrance music and the sell. Really so what is the problem with me not thinking and discussing how they are not that great really nothing the only reason why anybody would see something wrong with is because your on a ban wagon, or you snowed by these to " master tag team specialist" Looks don't get you ever where...

So why don't we discuss this why are they so amazing to you? What have they done? If they really were that special and that great then they would have never lost their spots to begin with. And no you can't blame it on the one brothers injury because if you think about it he wrestled other places while " injuried" however i do know for a FACT that he was injuried however he did wrestler while injuried just not in big Feds like FIP AND ROH because he couldn't handle it and he was only down for about 6 weeks well really not even that long with the surgury he had. Anyways if they were that big of a deal then they would've wrestled short quick matches or something would've happened with the matches ROH and FIP could've booked them but nothing did they just stopped booking them and then some how i don't know maybe a couple girls got them a shot again. So really tell me what makes them Specialist and such great tag team that i have to kiss their butt and can't disagree.

[oldschool]

Thanks for your outlook on this subject here ----I am going to get back with you on this -----but I am going to have to think alittle here , before I can answer your request !!

For some of the things ---just has my mind working to give you my thoughts on this subject !

Plus I just don't want to be out of line here in the answer to you ----it just does seem that I only can agree with you on some of the things you have said . But this is only the independent part of wrestling --NOT the BIG-LEAGUES , here !!

[oldschool]

Let's just see if I can come up with some answers to the questions that you have laid out here on this team .

1) --Let's just look at J. Crist for a minute , he is holding a Heavyweight Belt (single wrestler) and this would show that this man can wrestle and hold his own in the ring . Plus he can go both ways as a brawler (moxley vs match was just great ) this one just impressed every fan in the building on this night . But , it is always the style of the good-guy that is always shined for him in the match's here in IPW .

Yes , I has said before that he is the wrestler in the group with dignity and pride !!

2)-- Let's just look at D. Crist for a minute here ----Yes , he has talent , too --but the knee injury has hurt him in the ring , (I think he is just not at a 100% ) , but he still is a good product in the ring to watch . My only critical point of him is the style of always trying to be the big show and wanting the attention at any cost . For he does go way out of the way to get this at the shows or in the ring , when all that I want to see from him is "wrestling " not talking or show-boating . BUT , I am not going to take away any of the achievements that he has showen in IPW shows , plus the reaction that the fans give him . It is just to myself his style is a little stale to me and needs a small chance up to get me back on the track .

3) Now, as a team on the tag team part ---they just don't lack ability to team together , it's just the down time or rust that is showing now from this group at this time . Any body can be a little critical at this point , but I do believe that it is going to chance for the better in the near future for them . Superiority , NO, I just can't see this happening in this area that has so many other intelligent talented individuals that only work as a tag team in this business , that has their timing down together .
But , a little patient plan in convictions could only be obligation with some tune up matchs just to get back to the style that this group had in the past . This would only maybe orchestrate the intelligent and timing that is missing to get the game back together again for them . And once again they could be the superior talent as before that did get them the chance to wrestle on the big cards in the big Feds !!

To close this out : I can all ways say that I like the Bro's that have entertained me at the shows with the technicians of the sport in that square circle ----as the marquee says "WRESTLING"!!

[duoandiasuck]

OK old school fair enough we are all intitled to our own opionion you have yours and i have mine. I'm just saying that just because these boys started at ipw when they broke out doesn't mean they get the red carpet treatment what have they done since they are still what " working to get their timing right" their timing will never be right. They are no Matt Sydal for example. Ok so now we are giving D.Crist injury the reason for why they suck as a tag team and they are no specialist really, so tell me when they botched the spot in ROH before he wasn't injuryed. He actually didn't get injuryed until around August i believe in the Hero match was when he hurt himself. So what other excuse can you give them? This is their second shot for what ever reason roh is revisiting them ie the bricose's but they won't get the crowd nor the reaction nor the message boards like the briscoe's do. It just as plan as saying they aren't big time wrestlers they are just wrestlers. And so what if j.crist holds the heavyweight belt at hwa if you look at the roster beside Drick and Jmoxleythey really don't have alot to work with all the other guys are green and besides that point i believe they have stock would you say in HWA so why wouldn't hwa give them or j the belt(s) if they knew what was right or i believe they wouldn't be able to put on a wrestling show with out the crist brothers if my sources are correct and im pretty sure like oh say 200% sure they are correct. So you don't have to always have the most talent or be the best to get places in independent wrestling.

How ever we all know the J. Crist is the better wrestler all around and if you took the strutten and strollen out of the irish airborne all you would have is one great wrestler in J.Crist because all D.Crist is fluff the crowd.

No like them or not im sure alot of people share my views they just are too afraid to say anything on this board which is totally 110% Irish Airborne lovers and its bais.

[oldschool]

Wow , I see you just got a opinion of them and guessing you have been watching them for awhile !
I can only say that --what I have seen of them is only in IPW shows . As I'm just not a BIG follower of them at other shows .
There is just so much more to watch in the talent area , then only pen pointing out this group . So, i'm just going to let you grap and moan about them and what you think about them is just your opinion !

But , thanks for letting me voice my opinion about them , too .
But, I do think they got their start in the state that your from called --OHIO .
As , you have stated --ROH-HWA-and the old WAR , is from that area ----and as you can say this area does have some good talent to see at the shows ---maybe that is just why this talent --LIKES--to come in this area to wrestle infront of the FANS of IPW .
As, you can see --IPW is the group that I like to see ---because they do bring in some of the best talent to entertain US the fans at the shows . -----This is only what I care about here ---not what the storylines are in the other groups !!

So, we both are in agreement here as J Crist can wrestle --D. Crist is only the attendent getter here . -----BUT now you have to say : "They can Wrestle " when they want to showcase the ability they have to US the fans of IPW .

Now, let's just look at the great group of the Briscoe's --YES--I got to see them at the ROH show ---But even today I am not that amaze to see them here !!
It just looks like they have a great big EGO problem going for themselfs (in ring /backroom) as the news that I have gotten . But WHO am I --sorry just a wrestling fan !!

Sorry there is just more talent in Indiana , that I want to see inside of the square circle here in Indiana . Then to bring in some overclass guys that only want more money to work a match .
Plus --just give me a little Bullpain that can only out shine them all in that ring even on his baddest night. For he could just give them all the education of what to do !! It just that he does scare the wrestlers and audience all in one . ---Now that is the tye of wrestler that I like to watch work !!----The INSTIGATOR !!

[rushwrestling]

Hi, I know I'm not in this conversation but I would like to chime in and state, since no one else has...

They've been the tag team champs at places like DCW, HWA, IPW and um thats about it. Not that IPW is anything wrong with holding a belt for this fed (posted by duoandiasuck in his second post in this here thread).

The above staement couldn't be more false! The Irish Airborne have never ever been IPW Tag Team Champs.

That is all

[chrismethods]

Dave Crist is far from fluff... I could understand you saying they are overrated.... Hell I have called them that as well. Howevwer to simply write them off as a "the crap show they call tag team specialist" shows your simple closed mindedness. But in case I am wrong (wouldn't be the first time) let me ask you 3 simple questions.
1.) Who do you consider to be the best 5 tag teams?
2.) Who are your personal 5 favorite wrestlers?
3.) What the hell does your name stand for? I understand the iasuck part, you hate the butterflies... but what is DUOAND? I suck at net lingo if that is what it is...
See I think you need to watch some of Dave's matches from HWA. Cyberclash anyone? Him and his brother in a ladder match... CRAZY. And what about the great story telling in his feud with Louis? Oh, and to blame them for the match in Dayton is wrong. Could you get yourself and your opponets over in what, 5 minutes I have heard? Roh is bringing them to Nashville, so there must be something there... Just sayin...

[xomgxfan]

I can't believe some of you people thought I was this guy, I have the same feelings towards Airborne, well Dave at least, as Methods. I would never put down Airborne, as a matter of fact I would fight jus to earn their respect.

You can;t be a " crap how of a tag team specialist" If your freking tag team is in ROH.
You put some stuff about Fed in there didn't you? Hm,, well explain this to me then Mr. everyone sucks,

How could the Irish Airborne be any worse than The Boogeyman, or the last cruiserweight champion, who my I mention, WAS A TALENTLESS MIDGET.

I don't put as much Emphasis on the midget part though because CMLL has some pretty amazing short guys.

Tell me that, tell me how they could be wrestling for the best independant in Americaif they suck so bad? Tell me why they work 110 % harder than Miz nd Morrsion or any of those other "Excuses" for a tag team.

You don't have a reason. And it's because this, sir, is independant wrestling, and if you want to continuously disrespect the likes of Irish Airborne or Sami Callihan, who which I may add was 3rd in the freaking TPI, Then I suggest you sit at home, heat yourself up a Frozen TV Dinner, and shamelessly masterbate to HHH doing the same 3 moes he's been doing since the early 1990's.

[anfguy]

Well said sir Punk!

[oldschool]

Thanks to all of you guys for helping me out with this CLOWN .

I have to say --I was getting alittle tired of his moaning on here ---but maybe that is all he can do at home infront of that computer ----think of ways to put down the talent in this sport that each and everyone of us like to see in the ring . Just because he only wish that he could do some of the things , that the wrestlers are doing . That is just my censensus of that fact !!

But --Punk & Rush , (specially Chris ) , all of you have given some great thoughts to think about here !!----But let's just NOT step into his act of confused focuse & disquested ignorant view points on things here .

It just illustrates his negative criticism of things --because that is all that he has pointed out , in every post so far that he has posted . And maybe that is all he is looking for to get started here for some drama ,and lacking the knowlege of competition , he sure hasn't seen a IPW show for sure here are he would know how good the talent is on the shows . And why the IPW "Fans" are so very proud of this organization .

BUT --Again ---THANKS for helping me out here !!

[duoandiasuck]

You all talk about me like whatever but it doesn't change my opion of the sucm that the Irish Airborne are. You have no idea who i am or what i do. I find it rather hilarious that you think im uneducated or that i could never be a wrestler per say. How do you know that im not a wrestler and have been one for years? How do you know that i am not? How ever i love that all you men are stroking some Irish Airborne thou. I find it rather hilarious that you tell me to sit in front of my tv and watch HHH. You say something in regards to his "same 3 moes" really well then you must sit there and watch the Irish Airborne do their same 3 moes or wait do they have the many moes? The are average wrestlers at best and way to far big of egos as you say. I'm sure in the ego department they would put the Bricoe's to shame. Yes DAVE CRIST is all fluff all fluff. The must not be that great because they havn't got the call up yet and um im waiting on the day they do. and if they were as great as you say they are then they wouldn't have lost their spots in the first place in ROH. ROH/FIP is giving them another shot for some strange reason. I would love to see them produce but i don't think they will but that like you said is my own opionin.

You don't lose your spots completely because of injury. However i see that you all must be the fluffers for these boys or you wouldn't be defending them so hard .I'm sure if they know you personally they've talked about you at least once. And for the record i have never once talked about sami i don't believe because i don't know him.